Which Gospel was written first, Mark or Matthew? Markan priority is far more widely accepted and has grown in acceptance even among members of the Evangelical Theological Society—see Three Views on the Origins of the Synoptic Gospels.
Case in point. The story of the “raising of many saints” (which is found only in the Gospel of Matthew) makes greater sense if Markan priority is true rather than Matthean priority.
Mark and Matthewʼs stories about Jesusʼ execution right up to the message delivered at the empty tomb are nearly identical. They both depict the same actions and messages of Jesus on the cross, and they both share the same message delivered at the empty tomb. None of the other Gospels share as much as Mark and Matthew do in the above sections. But for all that they share, Matthewʼs tale contains some spectacular bits that Mark lacks. Nor are those spectacular bits found in any other Gospel—they include the earthquake at Jesusʼ death and the raising of many saints who enter the holy city and show themselves to many, guards at Jesusʼ tomb, an earthquake at Jesusʼ tomb, an angel that descends from heaven and sits on top of the rock outside the tomb, and Jewish bribery of the guards. Mark contains none of that, no first earthquake that opens many tombs, no resurrected saints, no guards at Jesusʼ tomb, no second earthquake, no angel descending from heaven and sitting on top of the rock outside the tomb, no Jewish bribery of the guards. (Mark simply says Jesusʼ tomb was empty and a young man was found inside it.) Nor do the other Gospels mention those spectacular bits in Matthew that Mark lacks. In fact all the Gospels lack mention of a single earthquake, let alone two of them. On the other hand, as I already stated, Jesusʼ last words and actions, and the message delivered at the empty tomb (“He has gone before you to Galilee, there you will see him”) are nearly identical in both Mark and Matthew. So it appears Matthew added a lot to a prior Markan story, many of the added bits being of a spectacular nature and corroborated neither by Mark nor by other Gospel writers.
One also canʼt help but notice that following Matthewʼs story of the earthquake that cracks open tombs followed by the raising of many saints, Matthew says:
When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, Surely he was the Son of God! (NIV)
But Mark says:
And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died, he said, Surely this man was the Son of God! (NIV)
So Matthew depicts the centurion along with those with him all “seeing” the “earthquake and all that had happened,” and “they were terrified.” But Mark depicts only the centurion standing “there in front of Jesus,” reacting to “his cry” and seeing “how he died.”
So it looks like Matthew inserted a lot of spectacular bits into his version of the Markan story, even altering what the centurion was looking at when he exclaimed Jesus to be “the Son of God.” Indeed, Matthew seems to have the centurion “and those with him” exclaiming in unison, “Surely he was the Son of God.”
Such additions and edits in Matthew point toward Mark being a more likely primary source.
For further evidence of the priority of Mark one could compare the type and number of miracle tales found in both Mark and Matthew. See this fascinating discussion by a biblioblogger.
I'm afraid it is considerably unwaranted to describe what Matthew does as "altering what the centurion was looking at when he exclaimed Jesus to be "the Son of God."
ReplyDeleteAs with any real-life event, many factors were involved at the same time. For commentator X to mention something that Y does not is hardly grounds for concluding X is "altering" the account.
Matthew 27:54 also includes other soldiers, besides the centurion, and so the account, even if it is dependent on Mark, expands on it in more than one way.
It is absolutely baseless to equate expansion in terms of detail to non-factual embellishment.
If that is what you are doing.
Asphaleia, Your summary rejection of the idea of factual embellishment based on the prima facia evidence that anyone can see for themselves (after comparing Gospel stories) is what is "absolutely baseless." Denial of such obvious questions is what you are attempting to do. Licona himself does not ask as many questions as he ought.
ReplyDeleteThe Gospels can’t get their post-resurrection story straight and are filled with raw outright lies use to sell Christianity in a religious Greco-Roan world. (I view both telemarketers and the Gospel writers with the same ideology: Sell the product at any cost. Lies are totally OK if it creates belief!)
ReplyDeleteNow here are but a few of many lies the post-resurrection story use:
First, Jesus tells Mary not to touch him: “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father.” John 20:17
Secondly, Jesus contradicts what he told Mary by what he tells Thomas: “Then he said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’" John 20:27 And not only is all this contradiction in the same Gospel of John, but it’s in the very same chapter of that Gospel!
Thirdly, maybe it’s because the resurrected Jesus really has no mass as he can now past straight through walls and doors “Eight days later, his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:26
Fourthly, we are told that Jesus can now transform his appearance from unknowable to the knowable at will: “When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him…” Luke 24:30a and again in John: “Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.” John 21: 4 So how do we know who or what was really resurrected?!
Then Jesus disappears into thin air again: “…and he disappeared from their sight.” Luke 24:30b (Beam me up Scotty!)
Fifthly, according to the Gospel of John, faith in the resurrected Jesus can ONLY be based on the Gospels claims alone which are founded on and steeped in Circular Reasoning: “Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” John 20: 30 -31 Thus, we MUST now believe the Gospel of John, why? Because the Gospel of John says so! Now simple faith is TOTAL TRUST in a confused Gospel of John!
Sixthly, Jesus had to have active E-coli resurrected in his gut so he could digest a fish: “He (Jesus) asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence.” Luke 24: 42 Thus, we not only have a resurrected Jesus, but now we must have millions of E-coli resurrected also in Jesus’ gut!!! Thus, faith in the resurrected E-coli is also “Saving Faith” since - without the living E-coli - eating the fish to end Jesus’ hunger (in the process of digestion) would be impossible. However, if there were no resurrected E-coli in Jesus’ gut, then Jesus assented to Heaven (Acts 1:9) with a fish undigested in his gut would mean this chewed up fish now has an eternal life; ironically finding itself part of the God Head and the Trinity now becomes Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Fish!
In conclusion, spiritual Christians love to tell worldly Christians: “If you were put on trial for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?” To which I would counter: “If all the Gospel’s conflicting statements about the resurrected Jesus were used in a trial in a modern court of law, how many of the Gospel writers would serve jail time for perjury? . . . ALL of them!
asphaleia,
ReplyDeleteif story 1 says that Johnny fought off 3 bullies who threw baseballs.
And story 2 says Johnny fought off 3 bullies with baseball bats.
And story 3 says Johnny fought of 30 bullies with baseball bats.
And story 4 says Johnny fought off 3 bullies with his baseball bat.
We actually can say something about the order in which these stories appeared. And from which story the story derives. Especially if there is more than one story but an entire collection of them in the same order with the seeming embellishments going one way.
Mark always missed the extra amazing things that Luke saw. And Mark always missed the extra amazing things that Matthew saw. But, Luke and Matthew didn't see the same thing. Often they saw completely different things. With the exception of the sayings of Jesus which they both heard that Mark didn't hear, but they heard the same things at different points in the story. We can actually draw conclusions from this.
First came the Torah written in Hebrew.
ReplyDeleteWithin the Torah contains the prophecies concerning Mashiach.
It was Hebrew language and Hebrew cultural context in Israel in the 1st century.
Leaving those premises in logic and creating a non Torah, non Hebrew Mashiach is defined as ex falso quodlibet. Any conclusion from a false premise is invalid. Learn what the Torah says about Mashiach.
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