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Religious-Affinity Fraud & Christian Corporate Swindlers: Fleecing the Flock, Preying on the Faithful, Using the Lord's Name in Gain

Religious-Affinity Fraud & Christian Corporate Swindlers

From 1984-89 Americans were swindled out of $450 million via religious-affinity fraud.

In the early 1990s a North American Securities Administrators Association report, “Preying on the Faithful: The False Prophets of the Investment World,” described scams and cons by ‘religious’ entrepreneurs. One outfit cited the blessing of the tribe of Asher by Moses in Deuteronomy that ‘the feet of the people will be bathed in oil’ as the basis for drilling for oil that was never found.

From 1998-2001 people lost $2 billion between in religion-related scams.

From 2002-2012 American investors had $23 billion stolen from them due to affinity frauds of all kinds, not just religious affinity frauds. No one has a reliable number for smaller frauds over the same period. In all, affinity-fraud losses in America could be as much as $50 billion.

Religious fraud is particularly common, because people find it hard to imagine that the pastor is a perp. Joseph Borg, Alabamaʼs securities commissioner, reckons half of all affinity frauds in the American South are faith-based. The problem stretches across all types of belief, and ranges far beyond the Bible Belt. In September, a 77-year-old man from Ohio was indicted for allegedly defrauding 2,700 fellow Amish of $17m. The state thought to have the most affinity fraud per head is Utah, where 60% of the population are Mormons… with the three largest cases involving combined losses up to $700m. LuElla Day lost $1.2m in a deal hatched by Daniel Merriman, a fellow Mormon she had known for four years. Another factor is the rise of “prosperity theology”, or the belief that God wants Christians to be rich as well as good. This idea has taken root fastest in black and Hispanic churches. The problem is that it puts pressure on congregations to invest successfully, which makes them more vulnerable, says Ole Anthony of the Trinity Foundation, which investigates church fraud.

Religious scams are among the most common and Christians are easy targets. Investors are often following the advice of trusted leaders. Barry Minkow says that in just one year he has personally uncovered more than $1 billion in church-based scams and other fraud targeting Christians. Some schemes donʼt target Christians but spread quickly once introduced in a church. Others go unreported, or regulators canʼt shut them down because victims refuse to testify. In one case, Joe Borg (director of the Alabama Securities Commission) said church members “were told that if they spoke to us, they would be excommunicated and their souls damned to hell. We had a lot of folks who said, ‘Look, I may have lost everything I own, but Iʼm not going to take a chance.’” Borg says they play on victimsʼ greed (promising huge returns) while easing their conscience by saying that the investment comes from God or that the money is being invested in ministry.

Ole Anthony (the head of the Trinity Foundation who also publishes The Wittenburg Door) revealed (in 2006), “U.S. Attorneys tell me that there is more fraud committed in the name of God in America than any other kind of fraud.”

SOURCES: Ted Olsen, “Bilking the Brethren,” and, Rob Moll, “The Fraud Buster: The Faithful Are Being Defrauded of Billions,” Christianity Today, Vol. 49, No. 1, Jan. 2005; Walter Hoops, “At Random,” The American Rationalist, Jan./Feb. 1991; The Wittenburg Door Insider [an online publication], Oct. 2, 2006; Fleecing the flock: The big business of swindling people who trust you, The Economist, Jan 28th 2012


Enron: A Corporation Run by a Passionate Christian

The CEO and Chairman of Enron corporation, Dr. Kenneth Lay, was the son of a Baptist minister. He accepted Jesus Christ as his savior when he was 12, and remained passionate about his beliefs as he explained in his own words:

Iʼve always just felt a strong presence in my life, a faith, and the will of God directing my life and giving me guidance for what Heʼd like to do with my life. There have been too many events in my life where it would be hard to say, That was just coincidence. Certain roads were crossed and certain directions became apparent, which at the time—maybe for many people—didnʼt look all that apparent. But the results have later turned out to be exactly the right thing at the right time. I can give you any number of examples… Throughout my life, things have fallen into place that turned out to be the right thing to do at the time… Looking back, 30 or 40 years later in some cases, those were the things that just really fit together perfectly… I am convinced that God was—and is—guiding all the way… multiple coincidences, they just seem to occur one after another. Whether it was meeting certain people at certain times, certain jobs appearing suddenly, or certain opportunities appearing… These things just fit in place… I became convinced that my true calling was business… I think, in my case, Iʼve been able to make a bigger and more positive impact through business than I could have in any other profession, including the ministry. Iʼve been able to impact more lives, more communities, and more causes than I could have otherwise… I begin many of our business dinners, and particularly special ones with directors and senior employees and community leaders, with a prayer. I think that sets the tone as to the importance of faith, at least in my life and sets the tone for the entire meeting. I have a retired minister on staff at Enron who does a lot of counseling for our employees. Itʼs at their discretion, at their request, but heʼs available particularly when employees are going through or experiencing the death of loved ones, or tragic accidents, or maybe depression or whatever. Obviously as he counsels, he also ministers. My employees know that I take basic religious principles very seriously… We have nearly 20,000 employees worldwide and we obviously have a lot of different religious faiths practiced by these employees… We really try to respect everybodyʼs beliefs. But itʼs widely known that I have a very strong Christian background and Christian faith… I basically try to create an environment at Enron where everybody has the opportunity to realize his or her God-given potential. That means that our people are always striving for excellence and to set the standard for our businesses by which others will measure their success.

Dr. Lay in an interview, published in the May/June 2002 issue of The [Wittenburg] Door

On July 7, 2004, Kenneth Lay was indicted by a grand jury on 11 counts of securities fraud and related charges, and was found guilty on May 25, 2006 of 10 counts against him. Legal experts said Lay could have faced 20 to 30 years in prison. However, he died about three and a half months before his sentencing due to a heart attack.

Fortune magazine had named Enron “Americaʼs Most Innovative Company” for six consecutive years. However, Enronʼs global reputation was undermined by persistent rumors of bribery and political pressure to secure contracts in Central America, South America, Africa, and the Philippines. Especially controversial was its $3 billion contract with the Maharashtra State Electricity Board in India, where it is alleged that Enron officials used political connections within the Clinton and Bush administrations to exert pressure on the board. After a series of scandals involving irregular accounting procedures perpetrated throughout the 1990ʼs Enron underwent one of the largest bankruptcies in corporate history, itʼs “healthy” financial condition had been sustained mostly by institutionalized, systematic, and creatively planned accounting fraud.


Baptist Groupʼs Leaders Convicted:Investors Lost $585 Million

Two former executives of a failed Southern Baptist foundation, Crotts and Grabinski, were convicted… in a scheme that cheated investors out of about $585m. The investors were recruited in Southern Baptist churches (and by Bible-quoting salesmen who visited their homes) who claimed that the money would help Southern Baptist causes, such as building new churches, and they were promising above-market returns.

Defense attorneys argued that the foundation could have been able to pay off investors if state regulators had not forced it to stop selling securities in 1999. James D. Porter, a foundation investor and Crotts family friend, said he believes that Crotts is innocent despite the verdict. “The truth is not determined by what this court said,” Porter said. “Righteous people have spent time in jail before.” [Itʼs common for Christians to pull out the “weʼre being persecuted” card whenever another Christian is caught doing something wrong (or poorly). In this case they resorted to illegal means to try and cover up just how inept they were at investing their brethrenʼs money.
—Austin Cline, your guide to the Agnosticism/Atheism section of http://www.about.com] Since the foundationʼs 1999 bankruptcy, five other employees or associates have pleaded guilty in connection with the fraud. The foundation was an official agency of the Arizona Southern Baptist Convention, which is affiliated with the national Southern Baptist Convention.
SOURCES: Tom Tingle (AP), “Former Baptist Foundation of Arizona President William P. Crotts is Led from a Phoenix Courtroom;” and, Terry Greene Sterling, “Baptist Groupʼs Leaders Convicted: Investors Lost $585 Million,” Special to The Washington Post, Tuesday, July 25, 2006; Page A03; special correspondent Steve Elliot contributed to the report.


The Black Bernie Madoff

WITH a nudge from their pastor, the 25,000 members of the New Birth Missionary Baptist Church near Atlanta opened their hearts, and their wallets to Ephren W. Taylor who led a series of financial seminars in October 2009 at the mega church and took more than $1 million in investments from members. Mr Taylor billed himself as the youngest black chief executive of a publicly traded company in American history. He had appeared on NPR and CNN. He had given a talk on socially conscious investing at the Democratic National Convention. Snoop Dogg, a rapper, had tapped him to manage a charitable endowment. So when Mr Taylorʼs “Wealth Tour Live” seminars came to town, faithful ears opened wide. Eddie Long, the mega-churchʼs leader (who was accused of having abusive homosexual relations and settled out of court), introduced Mr Taylor at one event with the words: “[God] wants you to be a mover and shaker… to finance you well to do His will.” Mr Taylor offered “low-risk investment with high performances”, chosen with guidance from God. Divine inspiration, alas, has given way to legal tribulation. For many investors, the 20% guaranteed returns proved illusory. Mr Taylor (whereabouts unknown) stands accused of fraud in a number of lawsuits. An essential element of Mr Taylorʼs approach was to make those he targeted want to invest in him personally, says Cathy Lerman, a lawyer representing some of the victims. “He was a master of creating a marketing presence. He would say: ‘If you want to check me out, just Google me.’” He had no problem convincing them that he was an ordained minister, even though he had no formal seminary training, according to court documents. It will take time to gauge the full extent of the losses, not least because it will require untangling a web of companies, some of them shells. Victims, many of whom entrusted their life savings to Mr Taylor, are still coming forward. Some call him “the black Bernie Madoff.”

Mr. Madoff, whose victims lost perhaps $20 billion, perpetrated the largest “affinity fraud” ever. The Madoff fraud fed on multiple affinity circles: wealthy Jews in Florida and Israel, country-club types and European old money.

The next-largest alleged investment fraud of recent years, the $7 billion collapse of Allen Stanfordʼs empire, also concerned specific groups, including the Latin American and Libyan diasporas and Southern Baptists.

Last August a South Korean pastor was indicted for misappropriating 2.4 billion Korean won ($2.3m) that the faithful had handed over to set up a Christian bank.

Fleecing the flock: The big business of swindling people who trust you, The Economist, Jan 28th 2012


One of the Most Devout Christian CEOʼs Presided Over One of the Largest Frauds in U.S. History

Head of WorldCom, Bernard Ebbers was known as one of the most religious CEOs in the high-tech sector. He invoked God regularly in speeches and press interviews, and started each board meeting with a prayer. He was a deacon at his Baptist church, where he also led a weekly bible study class. According to those who took the class, he was remarkably fluent in scripture. If someone missed the class, Ebbers would be on the phone to see if they were okay.

And yet, Ebbers presided over the largest fraud in U.S. history, a fraud that wrought massive financial pain on present and future retirees across America. After the revelations of this crime, a tearful Ebbers told his congregation: “More than anything else, I hope this doesnʼt jeopardize my witness for Jesus Christ.”

It sounds as though Ebbers was more concerned with whether public knowledge of his crimes would harm his ability to evangelize his religion than he was with whether his crimes caused actual financial harm to his employees. What a great guy, huh? He may have been a poster boy for traditional sexual and Christian morality, but that didnʼt stop him from helping defraud those around him.

David Callahan, The Cheating Culture: Why More Americans Are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead


Regular Church Goer and Social Conservative Stole 100ʼs of Millions

Or look at John Rigas, who headed Adelphia Communications, one of the largest cable television companies in the United States. The son of Greek immigrants, Rigas was a regular church goer guided by social conservatism. He raised his four children in a small town in upstate New York with a strict set of traditional values. His sons went to work with their father after graduating from the nationʼs best colleges and they, too, became pillars of the upstate community where Adelphia was headquartered. The sons, like the father, were social conservatives. No porn channels were allowed on Adelphiaʼs cable system.

A very different morality guided the Rigases in business. By the time investigators caught on, the Rigases had appropriated hundred of millions of shareholder funds for their personal use through various shady loans and frauds. Prosecutors accused father and sons of “systematically looting” Adelphia…

David Callahan, The Cheating Culture: Why More Americans Are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead


Crusader Against Homosexual Rights and Investor in Prayer Radio Also Swindled

Philip Anschutz is yet another business leader who publicly embraced religion and “family values” while indulging in greed and financial chicanery at the office. A billionaire who is the largest owner of movie screens in America, Anschutz is a religious man who has crusaded against homosexual rights and the medical use of marijuana. He has bankrolled a variety of Christian conservatives and invested in prayer radio.

Yet as the founder and chairman of Qwest Communications, a telecommunications firm, Anschutz ranks among the most corrupt insiders of the late 1990s. He sold nearly $2 billion of Qwest stock as it plunged in value from $63 a share to $3. As these sales took place, many in a secretive fashion, Qwest was encouraging its employees to hold on to their own stock and to build their retirement plans around 401(k)s heavy with Qwest shares. Anschutz was investigated and eventually agreed to give up $4.4 million in illegal gains from his shady business dealings without admitting any wrongdoing.

David Callahan, The Cheating Culture: Why More Americans Are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead


Randall W. Harding sang in the choir at Crossroads Christian Church in Corona, Calif., and donated part of his conspicuous wealth to its ministries. He named his investment firm JTL, or “Just the Lord.” He and his partners stole more than $50 million from pastors, churchgoers… another cautionary tale in what investigators say is a worsening problem plaguing the nationʼs churches.

For some additional cases of Christian related fraud click here

Christianity & Divorce (no convincing evidence for supernatural grace, plenty of evidence that a host of known cultural factors take precedence)

Christianity & Divorce

Chuck Norris also had a child out of wedlock.

The statistics are undeniable that Christians are just as prone to divorce as non-Christians in the U.S., and that cultural and sociological factors play a more convincing role than Godʼs invisible guidance when it comes to the failures of marriages in the U.S.

Divorce Among Christian Leaders

Charles Stanley, former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, pastor, religious TV personality, was divorced by his wife. The settlement she received depended on her remaining silent concerning her reasons for wanting the divorce.

Ned Graham, son of Billy Graham, was divorced by his wife on the basis of “infidelity, domestic violence, and drug and alcohol abuse.” Ned is head of East Gate Ministries, which distributes Bibles in China, and he continues to be supported in that capacity by his famous father.

Hal Lindsey, who has sold millions of books on “the soon coming end times and return of Jesus” has been divorced multiple times.

Bob Larson, well known Christian pastor and exorcist, is divorced. He trains people to cast out Satan and is an American radio and television evangelist, and pastor of Spiritual Freedom Church in Phoenix, Arizona.

Divorce Among Contemporary Christian Musicians

Divorce among Contemporary Christian “artists” is rampant. Just a few of the divorced or separated CCM musicians are Sandi Patty, Deniece Williams, Sheila Walsh, John Talbot, Randy Stonehill, Larry Norman, Tom Howard, Ralph Carmichael, Steve Archer, Amy Grant and Gary Chapman (both Amy and Gary have gotten remarried since their 1997 divorce), Stacy Jones of the rap group Grits, and all of the members of the now disbanded Barnabas. Melody Green, widowed wife of Keith Green (who was killed in a plane crash in 1982), recently divorced her second husband, Andrew Sievright.

Divorce Among Charismatics & Pentecostals

Divorce is also rampant among Pentecostal-Charismatic leaders. Aimee Semple McPherson, founder of the Four Square Pentecostal Churches, was a divorced adulteress, as was famous Pentecostal evangelist Kathryn Kuhlmann.

Richard Roberts, who is in the process of taking over the ministry of his father, Oral, divorced his first wife and married an Oral Roberts University student.

Jim and Tammy Bakker (of the PTL Club) divorced.

Jimmy Swaggart paid a prostitute on multiple occasions to give him a private strip show and even asked her if she would take money to have her daughter strip for him. The woman declined the second offer.

In July 2007 two well-known Charismatic pastors got divorces (Ray McCauley of Johannesburg, South Africa, and Clarence McClendon of Los Angeles).

John Jacobs, founder of the Power Team, was divorced from his wife of 16 years this summer.

Reverends Randy and Paula White divorced. Members of their church, Without Walls International Church, reacted with tears and a chorus of “Oh, no” after the founders and co-pastors of what has been one of the nationʼs biggest and fastest-growing churches announced the divorce at Thursday nightʼs service. SOURCE Later we read… Megachurch Pastor Paula White Weds Rocker Jonathan Cain in Third Marriage.

Gospel singer Juanita Bynum filed for divorce after her pastor husband beat her outside a hotel… Police say that during an argument Weeks choked Bynum, pushed her to the ground and started to kick and stomp on her. A hotel employee intervened and pulled Weeks off her, police said… Weeks, faced charges of aggravated assault and terroristic threats following the confrontation, which police say left his estranged wife badly bruised. Juanitaʼs ministry blossomed after she preached at a singles event about breaking free of sexual promiscuity. Among her books are No More Sheets: The Truth About Sex, and Matters of the Heart. Her album A Piece of My Passion, had been listed in the top 10 gospel albums by Billboard magazine for several months. She also preaches through televised sermons. The couple married in 2002 in a televised wedding. Together, they wrote “Teach Me How to Love You: The Beginnings.” Today they are divorced. And in July of 2012 Juanita Bynum confessed during a radio show interview that she had had lesbian encounters in the past. “Iʼve been there and Iʼve done it all. I did the drugs, Iʼve been with men, Iʼve been with women. All of it,” she said July 13 on the Atlanta-based radio show. SOURCE

Benny Hinn divorced his wife due to her drug problem involving prescription pills, later remarrying her.

Divorce Among Fundamental Baptists

Pastor Peter Ruckman of Pensacola, Florida, is twice divorced and thrice married. He has written a booklet to justify his position.

Pastor Jack Hyles has counseled divorced men to go into the pastorate and has encouraged others to stay in the pastorate after their divorces. Hyles calls adultery a “mistake”; and in his sermon “The Good Man Versus the Spiritual Man” (Dec. 20, 1987) Hyles said that the only difference between those who commit adultery and those who do not is that in the latter the sin of adultery is “in remission.”

SEE ALSO This article about divorce being rampant among Christian leaders

And the site Pimp Preacher with its top 20 scandals


Divorce: 1999 Survey Results

Baptists are more likely than members of any other Christian denomination to be divorced… according to a national survey by the Barna Research Group… Nationally, 29 percent of all Baptist adults have been divorced, the Barna survey said. The only Christian group with a higher divorce rate are those who attend non-denominational Protestant churches, with a 34 percent divorce rate.

Mormons, who emphasize strong families, are near the national average at 24 percent, Barna reported.

Among those who describe themselves as born-again Christians, 27 percent are currently or have previously been divorced, compared to 24 percent among adults who do not describe themselves as born-again.

“While it may be alarming to discover that born-again Christians are more likely than others to experience a divorce, that pattern has been in place for quite some time,” said George Barna, president of Barna Research Group. Alabama, which has more than one million Southern Baptists and a majority of evangelical Protestants in a population of 4.3 million, ranks fourth nationally in divorce rates, according to U.S. government statistics. It ranks behind Nevada, Tennessee and Arkansas among top divorce rates.

The Rev. Stacy Pickering, minister of young married adults and director of counseling at Shades Mountain Baptist Church, said the statistics are skewed because Baptist churches encourage young people to get married—sometimes when theyʼre not properly prepared—rather than have pre-marital sex or co-habitate.

Greg Garrison, News staff writer, The Birmingham News, 12/30/1999


Born Again Christians Just as Likely to Divorce as are Non-Christians - September 8, 2004

Although many Christian churches attempt to dissuade congregants from getting a divorce, the research confirmed an earlier finding by Barna a decade ago (further confirmed through tracking studies conducted each year since): born again Christians have the same likelihood of divorce as do non-Christians. Among married born again Christians, 35% have experienced a divorce. That figure is identical to the outcome among married adults who are not born again: 35%.

“Born again Christians” were defined in the survey as people who said they have made “a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that is still important in their life today” and who also indicated they believe that when they die they will go to Heaven because they had confessed their sins and had accepted Jesus Christ as their savior… Being classified as “born again” was not dependent upon church or denominational affiliation or involvement. [Those who were not “born again” probably included nominal Christians, Christians unsure of their beliefs, guilt-ridden, backslidden Christians, believers in heterodox forms of Christianity who might not describe their beliefs as Barna did, as well as Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, New Agers, Wiccans, agnostics and atheists. In other words, the “hell-bound.” Yet their divorce rates equaled those of the “Born Agains.”—E.T.B.]

The survey showed that the percentages of those who were divorced varied somewhat according to denominational religious affiliations (or lack thereof): Catholics (25%), atheists and agnostics (37%), Protestants (39%). Further subdividing the Protestants into their respective major denominations revealed that Presbyterians had the fewest divorces (28%), and Pentecostals had the most (44%).

George Barna noted that one reason why the divorce statistic among non-Born again adults is not higher is that a larger proportion of that group cohabits, effectively side-stepping marriage—and divorce—altogether. “If the non-born again population were to marry at the same rate as the born again group, it is likely that their divorce statistic would be roughly 38%—marginally higher (>3%) than that among the born again group, but still surprisingly similar in magnitude.”

Barna also noted, “The data suggest that relatively few divorced Christians experienced their divorce before accepting Christ as their savior.” [Does that mean most Christians experienced their divorce after accepting Christ as their savior?—E.T.B.] Research also indicated that a surprising number of Christians experienced divorces both before and after their conversion. Multiple divorces are also unexpectedly common among born again Christians. Barnaʼs figures show that nearly one-quarter of the married born agains (23%) get divorced two or more times. (www.barna.org)

According to the Dallas Morning News, a Dallas TX newspaper, the national study “raised eyebrows, sowed confusion, [and] even brought on a little holy anger.” This caused George Barna to write a letter to his supporters, saying that he is standing by his data, even though it is upsetting. He said that “We rarely find substantial differences between the moral behavior of Christians and non-Christians.”

Donald Hughes, author of The Divorce Reality, admitted that “[Christians] are subject to the same problems as everyone else, and they include a lack of relationship skills.” SOURCE


More 2004 Survey Results:“Bible Belt” Has Nationʼs Highest Divorce Rate

The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1. But donʼt take the U.S. governmentʼs word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states.

More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.

The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated, “The divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people.” The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

How to explain these differences? The following factors provide a partial answer:

More couples in the South enter their first marriage at a younger age.

Average household incomes are lower in the South.

Southern states have a lower percentage of Roman Catholics, “a denomination that does not recognize divorce.” Barnaʼs study showed that 21 percent of Catholics had been divorced, compared with 29 percent of Baptists.

Education. Massachusetts has about the highest rate of education in the country, with 85 percent completing high school. For Texas the rate is 76 percent. One third of Massachusettsʼ residents have completed college, compared with 23 percent of Texans, and the other Northeast states are right behind Massachusetts. The liberals from Massachusetts have long prided themselves on their emphasis on education, and it has paid off: People who stay in school longer get married at a later age, when they are more mature, are more likely to secure a better job, and job income increases with each level of formal education. As a result, Massachusetts also leads in per capita and family income while births by teenagers, as a percent of total births, was 7.4 for Massachusetts and 16.1 for Texas. The Northeast corridor, with Massachusetts as the hub, does have one of the highest levels of Catholics per state total. And it is also the case that these are among the states most strongly supportive of the Catholic Churchʼs teaching on social justice issues such as minimum and living wages and universal healthcare.

William V. DʼAntonio [Professor emeritus at University of Connecticut and a visiting research professor at Catholic University in Washington, D.C.], “Walking the Walk on Family Values,” The Boston Globe, October 31, 2004


One Born Again Christian Tells Another Born Again Christian that there is Something Wrong About Conservative Christianityʼs Affect on Women & Their Autonomy

Craig Sowder, a Christian blogger and all around nice guy, has written:

Currently work in a secular work environment where I am around plenty of non-Christians. I also went to a public high school and I attended a secular college for a year. So Iʼve been around my fair share of both Christians and non-Christians, and let me tell you that Christian women need to take a few lessons from non-Christian women. The non-Christian women Iʼve been around over the years are not afraid to get into relationships with men and actually arrive at conclusions about men far more quickly than Christian women. Sometimes I donʼt think Christian women will go out for a cup of coffee with a guy without some kind of sign in the heavens telling them to go for it.

Craig says here in no uncertain terms that non-Christian women are much more of what a woman should be: thinking for themselves, and taking responsibility for themselves… he is praising secular women for their autonomy, while lamenting the lack of autonomy in Christian women. Craig has also expressed multiple times in the past that he thinks that Christian women are crazy…

SOURCE


Christianity & Divorce Compared with the Anti-Gay Marriage Stance of Christians

One of the interesting features of the current efforts by the Christian Right to attack gay marriage is that their rhetoric about saving families doesnʼt match their actions. Why not, for example, invest similar attention to something like divorce or spousal abuse? These affect far more people and marriages than gay marriage ever could.

Austin Cline, “Pharisees Gathering Stones


Half of heterosexual marriages in our society end in divorce. We heterosexuals are doing a lousy job of “defending” marriage. Adultery is a big part of the reason. So if weʼre going to rewrite our Constitution to “protect” marriage from sin because it is the “God-ordained bedrock of society,” then I would think that adultery would be a much better target [than homosexuality].

Howard Troxler, columnist, St. Petersburg Times, November 14, 2004

They Saved the Lives of Billions, or Donated Tens of $Billions$ to Charitable Foundations—without trying to convert others to their religion/philosophy unless it's to love learning and love & help others: Hilleman, Borlaug, Gates, Buffet

The first two people saved billions of lives with their research (Hilleman and Borlaug), the second two contributed tens of billions of dollars to charitable foundations (Gates and Buffett), and none of them appear to have used their notoriety to try and convert others to a particular religious or philosophical belief.

Hilleman, Borlaug, Gates, Buffet

Maurice Hilleman August 30, 1919 — April 11, 2005)

The New York Times described Maurice Ralph Hilleman as the man who “probably saved more lives than any other scientist in the 20th century.” His vaccines probably saved more lives than any scientist in the past century, and his research helps the medical establishment predict and prepare for upcoming flu seasons.

As a young man in a small mid-western town Maurice felt that life must have more to offer than selling goods to cowboys and their girlfriends. He built his own radio that allowed him to listen to a show called “Meet the Scientists” that originated at the University of Chicago. He read everything he could about find about science and great scientists. His scientific hero—and the hero of many Montana schoolchildren—was Howard Taylor Ricketts who discovered the source of a mysterious illness that attacked residents Montana, causing high fever, intense headaches, muscle pain, low blood pressure, shock and death. Ricketts found that the infection was caused by a bacterium found in ticks. “He was a god out there,” recalled Hilleman. Today the bacterium is called Rickettsia rickettsii, and the disease is called Rocky Mountain spotted-fever. Hilleman also read and reread Darwinʼs On the Origin of Species. “I was enthralled by Darwin because the church was so opposed to him,” he recalled, “I figured that anybody who could be so universally hated had to have something good about him.” One Sunday when he was about thirteen-years-old Hilleman was caught reading Darwin in church (his familyʼs ultraconservative Lutheran church) and the minister, who believed in creationism, admonished him. The minister tried to confiscate the book but Hilleman told him it was public property because it belonged to the library and he would notify authorities if the minister tried to take it.

His love of science led him to pursue education at a local branch of the state university and then to the University of Chicago, where he studied microbiology. After leaving Chicago, Hilleman took a research job with EJ Squibb, the pharmaceutical company. Within a year he had developed a vaccine to protect American troops serving in the Far East from Japanese B encephalitis, a fatal brain disease.

In the early 1950s after the war ended, Hilleman moved to the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in Washington, where he led a team carrying out research into respiratory viruses where he made a crucial discovery about the way flu viruses evolve. The phenomenon is called drift (minor changes) and shift (major changes). Detecting recent changes and predicting future changes is part of the art of choosing the strains of virus included in each seasonʼs vaccines. Peopleʼs immune systems give them partial protection against drift, but not against shift, which is why completely new flu strains are so dangerous. In the early stages of the Asian flu pandemic of 1957, Hilleman deduced from press reports of the disease in Hong Kong that the virus might have undergone one of its periodic ‘shifts’ and sent for specimens to enable him to isolate it. As he suspected, blood samples showed that nobody had any antibodies to the virus. Fearing a repeat of the 1918 Spanish flu which killed some 20 million people around the world, he immediately notified the World Health Organization and vaccine manufacturers, to whom he sent samples of the virus. He also insisted that chicken breeders should spare the lives of cockerels they would otherwise have slaughtered, enabling them to fertilize the millions of eggs needed to prepare the new vaccine. By the time the disease had arrived in its full force in America, 40 million doses of vaccine had been delivered, saving tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives.

In 1957, Hilleman joined the pharmaceutical company Merck as head of its new virus and cell biology research department to work on the development of new vaccines against common diseases of childhood. Four years later, a Harvard researcher developed a vaccine against measles using a live virus, but it proved too toxic to use. Hillemanʼs solution was to develop a very weak version of the virus by growing it in the cells of chicken embryos. This ‘attenuated’ virus would trigger an immune response with negligible side effects. Since its introduction in the mid-1960s, it is estimated that the measles vaccine has saved more than one million lives a year.

In the 1960s, Hilleman developed the mumps vaccine, thanks in large part to his daughterʼs infection. In 1963, five-year-old Jeryl Lynn woke her father in the middle of the night, whining about a sore throat. Seeing her swollen glands, Hilleman realized it was the mumps, a disease caused by a virus that grows in the salivary glands. At the time mumps was common, infecting about 200,000 U.S. children a year. Of those, about half developed a mild form of meningitis, an infection of the brain. Sometimes, the meningitis caused permanent deafness or death. Hilleman saw opportunity in his daughterʼs suffering. Though it was the middle of the night, he drove to his Merck lab to pick up some swabs. He then swabbed his daughterʼs throat and preserved the virus in some beef broth in the freezer. Hilleman had been eager to collect the virus because he was leaving on a trip to South America the following day and knew the virus would be gone by the time he returned. Later, Hilleman isolated the mumps virus from the swabs. Next, he took chicken embryo cells and grew the virus in it to produce what is called an attenuated form of the virus. An attenuated virus is weak enough that it will not cause the disease, but strong enough to force the body into using its natural defenses to trigger immunity. Making the mumps vaccine took several years; it was not available until 1967. Hillemanʼs other daughter, Kirsten, participated in the trials.

In 1988 President Reagan presented him with the National Medal of Science, Americaʼs highest scientific honor. His peers said that he had done more for preventive medicine than anyone since Louis Pasteur. Dr. Hilleman was a co-discoverer of several viruses, including the hepatitis A virus, the rhinoviruses that cause colds, and SV40, a monkey virus that was inadvertently included in some of the earliest batches of polio vaccines, and which caused deaths. Under his guidance, Merck, the pharmaceutical company where he worked from 1957 until 1984, avoided making whooping cough and polio vaccines, which had huge safety problems, but he pushed them into making other vaccines, even in periods of low profitability.

Thanks to him, diseases that once claimed children’s lives or left them with severe disabilities are now largely a distant memory. During his career, Hilleman developed a total of 40 vaccines, making him perhaps the most successful vaccinologist in history.

He developed 8 of the 14 vaccines routinely recommended: measles, mumps, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, chickenpox, meningitis, pneumonia and Haemophilus influenzae bacteria (which brings on a variety of symptoms, including inflammation of the lining of the brain and deafness). He also developed the first generation of a vaccine against rubella or German measles. Such vaccines have virtually vanquished many of the once common childhood diseases in developed countries.

There was one vaccine, however, that eluded even Maurice Hilleman—that for the common cold. But, in the process of trying to create it, he discovered 54 new virus strains and determined that this failure was due to the number of different cold virus strains, rather than to short-lived immunity. None of this could have been accomplished in isolation, and Hilleman had the benefit of having several greats before him, as Offit cleverly portrays in the ‘Eight Doors’ chapter. Hillemanʼs profligate successes were products of his ability to build on the past, learn from previous mistakes and recognize limitations. Importantly, he was the first to take an industrial approach to making vaccines, thereby putting into practice the preliminary observations of others.

Because of Hillemanʼs achievements, human life expectancy has grown by leaps and bounds. Paul A. Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Childrenʼs Hospital of Philadelphia, said: “Itʼs safe to say his vaccines save in the order of eight million lives a year. I think it can be said without hyperbole that he was a scientist who saved more lives than any other modern scientist.”

Hilleman was a freethinking rationalist to the end, though he didnʼt try to convert people to that particular view. According to his biographer, Paul Offit, author of Vaccinated: One Manʼs Quest to Defeat the Worldʼs Deadliest Diseases, Hilleman was ‘intimidating,’ ‘a committee of one,’ and he ‘liked to curse.’ Anyone who knew Hilleman (or his reputation) would concur. He was “a man of his time” and had a “style that would not be duplicated today.”


Norman Borlaug (March 25, 1914 — September 12, 2009)

A geneticist and plant pathologist, Borlaug, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for his contribution to world peace through food production. He developed varieties of high-yield crops that resisted disease, saving two billion lives or more by reversing food shortages that began to plague parts of the developing world in Asia, Africa and Mexico in the 1960s and succeeding decades.

Though Borlaug held to his familyʼs traditional Lutheran beliefs he did not use his notoriety to try and lead others to Christ as so many Christian congressmen, actors and athletes have attempted to do. He did not trumpet the importance of his personal religious beliefs, he barely tooted them in so far as his lifeʼs work was concerned. Though he did use his notoriety as a scientist to promote further scientific research and to speak about the importance of education, the necessity of population control, and the importance of producing food for all.

On the official website and archive of the life and works of Norman Borlaug one can search for terms like ‘Jesus’ or ‘Christ’ or ‘savior’ or ‘Christianity’ and find nothing in the Borlaug archives, with extremely few mentions of ‘religion’ and ‘Lutheran.’ There is nothing in his archives advocating Christianity as the worldʼs one true religion necessary for salvation. Instead, you can find a curriculum for a course in ‘Special Topics in Global Social Justice Leadership’ on the site with the following recommended reading that does not appear to be drawn from Christian sources:

  • An Essay on the Principle of Population, Thomas Malthus
  • Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond
  • Enough: Why the World’s Poorest Starve in an Age of Plenty, Thurow & Kilman
  • The World’s Religions, Huston Smith
  • Kiss, Bow or Shake Hands, Morrison & Conaway
  • Speak Truth to Power: Human Rights Defenders Who Are Changing Our World, Eddie Adams
  • The Aquariums of Pyongyang: Ten Years in the North Korean Gula, Chol-hwan & Rigoulot
  • What is the What?, Dave Eggers
  • Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Social Movement in History is Restoring Grace, Justice and Beauty to the World, Paul Hawken
  • Bottom Billion, Paul Collier
  • The End of Poverty, Jeffrey Sachs
  • Common Wealth: Economics for a Crowded Planet, Jeffrey Sachs
  • Development as Freedom, Amartya Sen
  • Despite Good Intentions, Thomas Dichter
  • The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid, Prahad
  • Making Globalization Work, Joseph E. Stiglitz
  • Wars, Guns and Votes: Democracy in Dangerous Places, Paul Collier
  • Dead Aid: Why Aid is not Working and How There is a Better Way for Africa, Dambisa Moyo
  • The Idea of Justice, Amartya Sen
  • Out of Poverty: What Works When Traditional Approaches Fail, Paul Polak

Borlaug lived in the developing world for much of his life teaching high-yield agricultural techniques, with a focus on training younger scientists. “My whole philosophy goes to training young people who are willing to take risks, because you have to risk,” he said.

Borlaugʼs great grandparents came from a small Lutheran village in Norway. They sailed across the Atlantic with a group of Norwegian families. Their exodus was brought on by

  • a potato famine caused by blight
  • a population growing faster than the food production
  • they were struggling farmers trying to survive on a small strip of land they came looking for fertile soil and a place to start a new life

Once in America they became members of the Saude Lutheran Church, the same church in which Norman was later baptized and confirmed. Life was hard among these settlers. The death rate among them, at a relatively young age, was high. In 1877 there were thirty funerals in the Little Turkey Church - nine percent of its membership. It was there, during the Depression, that a young Norm Borlaug first learned the lesson that confronting the harsh realities of prairie farm life could bring disparate people together and impel them to cooperate. Each morning, Norm recalls, the Lutheran Norwegian children from Cresco, and the Czech (Bohemian) Catholics from Spillville, would stand and sing “The Iowa Corn Song,” celebrating their new identity and the bond they now shared as Iowans.

He attributes his decision to leave the farm and pursue further education to his grandfather, Nels Olson Borlaug (1859 — 1935), who told him, “Youʼre wiser to fill your head now if you want to fill your belly later on.” Norm adds, “Grandfather Nels was very special to me while I was growing up. He often took me with him to go fishing. As we would sit together on the banks of Little Turkey River, waiting for a nibble, he would explain how important it was to help other people in times of need. In his distinct Norwegian accent, he would say, ‘Norm-boy, your good deeds will be returned in ways you can never imagine.’” Norm along with other immigrant children shared a one room schoolhouse where they learned they had much in common, just as their parents found that working together to ensure sufficient food for all was more important than any ethnic, religious, or linguistic differences that might initially divide them. It was an insight that would remain with Borlaug throughout his life and would come to permeate his work.

Benefiting from Rooseveltʼs ‘New Deal,’ specifically, a Depression-era program known as the National Youth Administration, he was able to enroll at the University of Minnesota in 1933. Afterwards he worked for the government as a leader in the Civilian Conservation Corps, working with the unemployed on U.S. federal projects. Many of the people who worked for him were starving. He later recalled, “I saw how food changed them… All of this left scars on me…” in 1937, Borlaug worked for the United States Forestry Service. At the end of his undergraduate education, Borlaug attended a lecture by Elvin Charles Stakman, a professor and soon-to-be head of the plant pathology group at the University of Minnesota. The event was pivotal for Borlaugʼs future life. Stakman, in his speech titled “These Shifty Little Enemies that Destroy our Food Crops,” discussed the manifestation of the plant disease rust, a parasitic fungus that feeds on phytonutrients, in wheat, oat and barley crops across the US. He had discovered that special plant breeding methods created plants resistant to rust. His research greatly interested Borlaug, and when Borlaugʼs job at the Forest Service was eliminated due to budget cuts, he asked Stakman if he should go into forest pathology. Stakman advised him to focus on plant pathology instead, and Borlaug subsequently re-enrolled to the University to study plant pathology under Stakman. Borlaug received his Master of Science degree in 1940 and Ph.D. in plant pathology and genetics in 1942.

Borlaug was presented the Nobel Peace Prize on Dec. 10, 1970, in Oslo, Norway, the land of his ancestors. He received a gold medal and $74,112 to continue his work. Borlaug explained what excited him most about winning the Nobel Prize: “Seventy percent of the people of the world make their living from agriculture,” he said, “and this is the first time agricultural science and the application of it have been given recognition.”

“The Frightening Power of Human Reproduction Must be Curbed… Most People Fail to Comprehend the Magnitude & Menace of the ‘Population Monster.’… Population Growth has to be Slowed.”
—Norman Borlaug

His speech when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize repeatedly presented improvements in food production within the context of the ‘population monster’:

“The green revolution has won a temporary success in manʼs war against hunger and deprivation; it has given man a breathing space. If fully implemented, the revolution can provide sufficient food for sustenance during the next three decades. But the frightening power of human reproduction must also be curbed; otherwise the success of the green revolution will be ephemeral only. Most people still fail to comprehend the magnitude and menace of the ‘Population Monster’… unless man becomes more realistic and preoccupied about this impending doom. The tick-tock of the clock will continually grow louder and more menacing each decade. Where will it all end?…”

“…in all biological populations there are innate devices to adjust population growth to the carrying capacity of the environment. Undoubtedly, some such device exists in man, presumably Homo sapiens, but so far it has not asserted itself to bring into balance population growth and the carrying capacity of the environment on a worldwide scale. It would be disastrous for the species to continue to increase our human numbers madly until such innate devices take over…”

“Since man is potentially a rational being, however, I am confident that within the next two decades he will recognize the self-destructive course he steers along the road of irresponsible population growth…”

“Contrasting sharply, in the developing countries represented by India, Pakistan, and most of the countries in Asia and Africa, seventy to eighty percent of the population is engaged in agriculture, mostly at the subsistence level. The land is tired, worn out, depleted of plant nutrients, and often eroded; crop yields have been low, near starvation level, and stagnant for centuries. Hunger prevails, and survival depends largely upon the annual success or failure of the cereal crops. In these nations both under-nutrition and malnutrition are widespread and are a constant threat to survival and to the attainment of the genetic potential for mental and physical development… There is little possibility in these countries of expanding the cultivated area to cope with the growing demand. The situation worsens as crop yields remain stagnant while human numbers continue to increase at frightening rates…”

“Today we should be far wiser; with the help of our Gods and our science, we must not only increase our food supplies but also insure them against biological and physical catastrophes by international efforts to provide international granaries of reserve food for use in case of need. And these food reserves must be made available to all who need them - and before famine strikes, not afterwards. Man can and must prevent the tragedy of famine in the future instead of merely trying with pious regret to salvage the human wreckage of the famine, as he has so often done in the past. We will be guilty of criminal negligence, without extenuation, if we permit future famines. Humanity cannot tolerate that guilt.”

Borlaug mentioned a literal ‘Adam and Eve’ and a literal ‘Garden of Eden’ in his Nobel Prize winning speech, stating “In the beginning there were but two, Adam and Eve. When they appeared on this earth is still questionable,” but he was not a young-earth creationist for he added that “civilization as it is known today… evolved… In the misty, hazy past, as the Mesolithic Age gave way to the Neolithic, there suddenly appeared in widely separated geographic areas the most highly successful group of inventors and revolutionaries that the world has ever known. This group of Neolithic men and women, and in all probability largely the latter, domesticated all the major cereals, legumes, and root crops, as well as all of the most important animals that to this day remain manʼs principal source of food. Apparently, nine thousand years ago, in the foothills of the Zagros Mountains, man had already become both agriculturist and animal husbandry-man, which, in turn, soon led to the specialization of labor and the development of village life.”

He also emphasized, “There are no miracles in agricultural production. Nor is there such a thing as a miracle variety of wheat, rice, or maize which can serve as an elixir to cure all ills of a stagnant, traditional agriculture… There are no miracles in agricultural production. Nor is there such a thing as a miracle variety of wheat, rice, or maize which can serve as an elixir to cure all ills of a stagnant, traditional agriculture.”

He argued that to cultivate peace one must cultivate the fields: “Almost certainly, the first essential component of social justice is adequate food for all mankind. Food is the moral right of all who are born into this world. Yet today fifty percent of the world’s population goes hungry. Without food, man can live at most but a few weeks; without it, all other components of social justice are meaningless. Therefore I feel that the aforementioned guiding principle must be modified to read: If you desire peace, cultivate justice, but at the same time cultivate the fields to produce more bread; otherwise there will be no peace.”

Elsewhere Borlaug added, “Though I have no doubt [crop] yields will keep going up, whether they can go up enough to feed the population monster is another matter. Unless progress with agricultural yields remains very strong, the next century will experience sheer human misery that, on a numerical scale, will exceed the worst of everything that has come before.”

And in one of his last interviews with The Des Moines Register, Borlaug summed up the problems that he saw facing the world today: “Population growth has to be slowed, and that’s a never-ending job. Energy scarcity will continue to be a problem. And people need to realize that political instability in other countries affects us here in the United States.”

In 1986 Borlaug founded the World Food Prize to honor others who have made important contributions to improving the world’s food supply. Endowed since 1990 by businessman and philanthropist John Ruan, this international award recognizes achievements of people who have improved the quality, amount, or accessibility of food in the world to advance human development. The first such prize was awarded in 1987 to Swaminathan (a Hindu, known as the “Father of the Green Revolution” in his country, India). In the 1960s, Borlaug and Swaminathan worked side by side to show Indian farmers how to use high-yielding wheat varieties and fertilizer to increase production. Between 1965 and 2000, cereal production in the developing countries of Asia tripled lending to a 25 percent increase in per capita food availability, saving many from hunger and starvation. “I believe that where hunger rules, peace cannot prevail,” Swaminathan said in Chennai, India, at his research foundation, part of which he named after Borlaug. Swaminathan speaks of the need for an “Evergreen Revolution” to improve productivity without ecological harm. “We have to produce more from less land, less water,” he said. Other World Food Prize Laureates have included Yuan who revolutionized rice cultivation in China. And Jones, who increased yields of rice in Africa. In October 2007, Borlaug attended his last World Food Prize symposium, which bears his name. “I can’t be despondent, I have to be optimistic,” he said. “Pessimism has no place in action.”

The Five Principles Borlaug adopted in his life, to quote his own words, were:

  1. Give your best
  2. Believe you can succeed
  3. Face adversity squarely
  4. Be confident you will find the answers when problems arise
  5. Then go out and win some bouts

These principles have shaped the attitude and action of thousands of young farm scientists across the world. He applied these principles in the field of science and agricultural development, but I guess he developed them much earlier in the field of wrestling, judging from his induction into the Iowa Wrestling Hall of Fame in 2004.

Dr. Borlaug was not only a great scientist but full of compassion for his fellow human beings, irrespective of race, religion, color, or political belief. This is clear from his last spoken words on the night of Saturday, September 12, 2009. Earlier in the day, a scientist showed him a nitrogen tracer developed for measuring soil fertility. His last words were “Take the tracer to the farmer.” This life-long dedication to taking scientific innovation to farmers without delay set Dr. Borlaug apart from most other farm scientists carrying out equally important research. Source here or here.

When Borlaug died, his love of learning was acknowledged by his family who requested that in lieu of flowers, memorials be made to the “Borlaug International Scholars Fund.”


Bill Gates (born October 28, 1955)

Gates co-founded Microsoft, the world’s largest PC software company, and founded the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. As of 2015 it has an endowment of US$42.9 billion. In 2007, its founders were ranked as the second most generous philanthropists in America, and Warren Buffett (see below) the first. As of May 16, 2013, Bill Gates had donated US$28 billion to the foundation.

Gates is described on his official website as “a technologist, business leader, and philanthropist.” Gatesʼ favorite course is called, Big History, and helps us grasp the place of our species in cosmic history, not just human history. You can join the course for free online here.

He also ran a contest in which he asked, “What Does It Mean To Be Human?” Here is the winning video from that contest.

Gates called the book by Richard Dawkins, The Magic of Reality, “a great way to start or continue your learning journey, no matter how old you are.” Gates also likes some of the same humor I do, like XKCD, and Hyperbole And A Half.

There is little to no talk on Gatesʼ personal blog about God, religion, atheism, agnosticism, Catholicism. He suggests books by atheists like Dawkins, Jared Diamond (see also Gatesʼs interactions with Jared here, here, and here), and Steven Pinker. It doesnʼt matter to Gates where knowledge, or interesting ideas come from. What matters are the ideas.

Gates also adds that one of the people I already mentioned above is one of his heroes, “Norm Borlaug is one of my heroes.”

Gatesʼ wife, Melinda, is Catholic, though in the past Gates has identified as an agnostic. After they had kids Gates joined the Catholic church. But there is not much about religion on Gatesʼs personal blog as I pointed out above, nor when you consider his reading matter and his support of the Big History project, nor even when it comes to the winner of the contest on what it means to be human. Any humanist would agree with Gates on the major issues, as well as humanityʼs major hopes, fears and passions. For a list of some of Gateʼs past statements regarding religion see The God Question and The Richest Man in the World, Bill Gates.


Warren Buffett (born August 30, 1930)

The worldʼs third wealthiest person in 2015. Buffett is a notable philanthropist, having pledged to give away 99 percent of his fortune to philanthropic causes. His intention was originally to leave 99% of his estate to the Buffett Foundation, but in June 2006 he announced that he would give 85% of his wealth to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation instead. Buffett stated that he changed his mind because he has grown to admire Gatesʼs foundation over the years; he believed that the Gates Foundation would be able to use his money effectively because it was already scaled-up.

On December 9, 2010, Buffett, Bill Gates, and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, signed a promise they called the “Gates-Buffett Giving Pledge,” in which they promised to donate to charity at least half of their wealth over time, and invited others among the wealthy to follow suit.

According to Roger Lowenstein in Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist, Buffett “did not subscribe to his familyʼs religion. Even at a young age he was too mathematical, too logical, to make the leap of faith. He adopted his fatherʼs ethical underpinnings, but not his belief in an unseen divinity.”

In his own words, Buffett says, “[If reincarnation is true] Iʼd like to be born again as Sofia Lorenʼs boyfriend. Iʼm personally an agnostic. Iʼm a true agnostic, right in the middle. Itʼs not because Iʼm a closet atheist nor a closet theist. I grew up in a religious family, and as I began to think for myself I came to the conclusion that I donʼt know… I donʼt disagree with people of faith at all. In fact I regard all faiths pretty much equally being an agnostic. But I donʼt think you can wish yourself into a faith. And I donʼt have the feeling of faith. I donʼt question other people that have it. I donʼt feel they are wrong. I just donʼt know. And I prefer to find out the answer at some distant date too.” *laughter in audience*

Above was Uploaded on Mar 28, 2011 to youtube. It is from a Question and Answer session with Warren Buffet of Berkshire-Hathaway during his first-ever visit to India where he was asked questions. That was his answer on rebirth and religion.

Further Reading

Do we really NEED all the diseases in the world that God designed to kill children and crops and cause sorrow and starvation galore?

Smallpox - Do we really NEED all the diseases in the world that God designed?

Or should we mourn the loss of Godʼs carefully designed banquet of diseases, disasters, starvation and disfigurement that God bestowed on humans for almost all of human history? Right up till the late 1800s about half of all children died before reaching the age of eight. And about half of all fertilized human egg cells (called zygotes) either pass out of the body naturally spontaneously without implanting or they perish in the fallopian tubes or uterus naturally. And even after the zygote stage a percentage of embryos and fetuses perish naturally spontaneously (also look up “vanishing twin syndrome” where one twin is absorbed by the other or by the uterine walls—something we hadnʼt noticed until ultra-sound was invented), and women used to perish in childbirth far more often in the past than now. So it looks like modern medicine and engineering is denying us a bounteous blessing of natural suffering that God bestowed on our ancestors for nearly a million years. Yet I bet there were Christians in the past who defended not only the pain and deadliness of childbirth, but even for small pox, malaria, and TB—all of which killed hundreds of millions in their heyday, and continue to kill many today. Though other Christians didnʼt defend such horrors but applauded them by preaching that everyone deserved such painful temporal earthly horrors, or worse—deserved horrific eternal pains—so as to try and induce repentance and increase church membership. Ingenious ad hoc, post hoc, reasoning in both cases. At best one is left with more questions than definitive answers.

Speaking of alleviating Godʼs well designed means of natural suffering, click on Maurice Hilleman and Norman Borlaug, and also, “Miracles” Performed by the Secular Saints of Johns Hopkins. And click here for much more on the problem of pain.

Every animal seems to be able to sense it is in danger, pain, and struggles to escape, even animals with the smallest brains and least number of neurons. While brainless animals like amoeba, can detect, pursue and trap prey by sticking out their pseudopods. Now compare the human brain which is not a single-celled organism like the amoeba but a multi-cellular organ with approximately 100 billion neurons with 100 trillion electro-chemical connections between them--no wonder we react to dangers, pains, and deathly imaginings. Even without immediate threats such imaginings (or memories of past dangers or pains) can cause humans to suffer panic attacks throughout their lives and/or strongly alter their behavior.

Christians or Non-Christians Who Suffer Depression or Attempt Suicide. What We All Have In Common.

Christians or Non-Christians Who Suffer Depression

Duke University Medical Centerʼs Epidemiologic Catchment Area survey (Meador, Koenig, Hughes, Turnbull & George, 1992) examined the relationship between religious affiliation and major depression. The six-month prevalence of major depression among Pentecostals was 5.4 percent compared to 1.7 percent for the entire sample.


Suicide occurs among Christians at essentially the same rate as non-Christians… Suicide kills a disproportionate number of young people and the elderly, and it has become increasingly prevalent among returning veterans [many of whom are Christians]. More active duty soldiers now die from suicide than from combat. A 2012 Dept. of Veterans Affairs study found that 22 veterans on average kill themselves each day, totaling more than 8,000 a year. Al Hsu, “When Suicide Strikes in the Body of Christ,” Christianity Today [online, April 9, 2013] Hsu is the author of Grieving a Suicide: A Loved Oneʼs Search for Comfort, Answers and Hope (InterVarsity Press, 2002)


Jarrid Wilson, cofounder of Anthem of Hope a Christian mental health organization, committed suicide at the age of thirty (died September 9, 2019). He was a graduate of Liberty University and Hope International University, pastor at Harvest Christian Fellowship--a megachurch in Riverside California, and author of several books, including, 30 Words: A Devotional for the Rest of Us; Jesus Swagger: Break Free from Poser Christianity; Wondrous Pursuit: Daily Encounters with an Almighty God; Love is Oxygen: How God Can Give You Life and Change Your World. On the day of his suicide Jarrid had officiated at another Christian's funeral and tweeted this:

"Officiating a funeral for a Jesus-loving woman who took her own life today. Your prayers are greatly appreciated for the family."

He died a day before World Suicide Prevention Day.


Daughter of Pastor Frank Page (who served as President of the Southern Baptist Convention from 2006 to 2008) ended her life in 2009. The tragedy was kept quiet. For years, Page did not share the painful details of Melissaʼs death, fearing that some Christians might speak ill of her if they knew. Mental illness and suicide were taboo topics for many churches, seen as a kind of spiritual failure.


The son of the influential minister who wrote the mega-bestseller, The Purpose Driven Life, committed suicide. “Matthew Warren, Son of Influential Minister, Dies at 27” by Ravi Somaiya, New York Times, April 6, 2013

(In comparison neither of the daughters of the apostate author of a book titled, The Reason Driven Life—which was written in response to The Purpose Driven Life—have committed suicide. Nor did the daughters of Americaʼs Great Agnostic, Robert G. Ingersoll. Though some lovely Christians did try and spread the rumor that Ingersollʼs son had committed suicide until it was pointed out by Ingersoll that he never had a son. On the other hand, it must be admitted there have been cases of depression and suicide in the Darwin family tree, admittedly a fairly large tree by this day and age.)


Baptists in the Carolinas are soul searching after a spate of suicides and suicide attempts by pastors. In addition to the September suicide of David Treadway, two others in North Carolina attempted suicide, and three in South Carolina succeeded, all in the last four years.

Pastors: Mental Illness and Suicide — Rev. Teddy Parker Jr., 42, pastor of Bibb Mount Zion Baptist Church in Macon, Georgia, discovered by his wife in the driveway of their home, dead from a self-inflicted gun-shot wound. Ed Montgomery, 49, a pastor at Full Gospel Christian Assemblies International Church, Hazel Crest, Illinois, takes his own life in front of his son, after grieving the death of his wife who had died a year earlier from a brain aneurysm. Isaac Hunter, 36, founder and pastor of Summit Church in Orlando, Florida, admits to an affair that leads to his resignation, and while suffering from a troubled marriage he ends it all by killing himself… These events, which took place within the last five weeks, show we are all susceptible to mental illness - even the preacher… Iʼve personally been in that dark place myself. By Rev. Mark. H. Creech, Christian Post Columnist


Pastor Who Confessed: There Are Times ‘I Donʼt Feel Like God Is Hearing Me’ Kills Self as Congregation, Family Wait for Him on Sunday—“What I have always advised younger men in the ministry to do is to try to find someone who can be your pastor outside your congregation… You canʼt let anyone in your church be your pastor. You are their pastor,” he warned. The competitive nature of pastors hurts healthy camaraderie in the profession. “Every pastor needs a pastor to kind of lead and guide them. But itʼs hard for us to really find that relationship because often pastors are trying to compete with or cremate you… Thatʼs a sad truth about the ministry,” agreed Land, who is also executive editor of The Christian Post. “I love pastors. They are in good grace, but most of them are pretty competitive when it comes to other pastors.”


Why do Christians Kill Themselves? According to Christian apologist, C. Michael Patton…

…For the same reasons non-Christians kill themselves. Lifeʼs circumstances fare no better for believers than for others. The divorce rate is the same, cancer rate is the same, just as many Christians find themselves out of work as non-Christians, and tragedy is no less likely to enter our lives than others. In fact, one might make the case that Christians have much more temptation to do so… We believe that we are in a hostile world that is filled with evil and evil powers… I have often wondered if suicide was not more of a temptation for Christians (in one respect) due to the fact that we know we will be out of pain and with God. In short, the circumstances that cause one to be so distraught with life that they are willing to take their own life exist just as much (if not more so) with Christians as they do with non-Christians.

Suicidal Thoughts on Suicide by C. Michael Patton, Christian apologist

(Christian apologist, C. Michael Patton, who wrote the lines above had a sister named Angie who committed suicide. After that his father started drinking heavily, a seeming death wish that he never recovered from. His father died at 66, the official cause being pneumonia. The actual cause was the type of guilt that hopes for death and does not care about physical health and refuses to check into a hospital when pneumonia is about to take his life. Michaelʼs mother continued to suffer depression after her daughterʼs (Michaelʼs sisterʼs) suicide. She cried for two years as her blood pressure rose. Finally an aneurysm ruptured and left her paralyzed; a different person. Michael and his remaining sisters have experienced significant depression since their sisterʼs suicide. Michael writes about his bouts with suicidal depression on the same blog where he defends the Gospel.)


Another Christian apologist from my own city, Greenville, SC, Johnny Price, and who has been hard at it as a local apologist in print and other media for decades admitted in 2016 in a public Facebook post:

Since I re-entered the world of Facebook back in October 2015, Iʼve deliberately not posted anything personal. This is an exception. I am mentally ill. Iʼve suffered from various emotional disorders (mostly depression) since March, 1999. Currently it manifests itself in daily bouts of angst and uncertainty — sometimes severe, occasionally nearly immobilizing — when my feelings (!) of adequacy and worth take a beating.


Still another Christian writes…

Depression is a clinically-diagnosed mental illness. Itʼs also a relentless and evil sonofabitch. Itʼs not selfish to struggle with depression. Itʼs not a lack of understanding about God and his creation. Itʼs not something to be ashamed of. Call it what you want - Godʼs grace, luck, fate - but when I was sitting on the tile in my bathroom almost 5 years ago, I saw just a small sliver of light. Just enough to make me take a breath and look at the pills in my hand. It was enough for me to drop them and watch them scatter all over the cold floor. I still donʼt know what it was that opened my eyes and mind that night, but it was enough for me to not go through with swallowing them all. But, there are so many people, like the brilliant Robin Williams this week, who arenʼt granted that little sliver of light… And thereʼs another kind of evil lurking around the halls of the depressed, and itʼs the belief that those who are stricken with depression (or any mental illness) are suffering because of their lack of faith in Jesus. “If only youʼd pray for more joy,” people say. “If only youʼd ask God to take the pain.” Or, “Is there unresolved sin in your life?” Or how about this one, “If youʼd just meditate more on Godʼs Word…” Folks, saying someone is depressed or suicidal because they arenʼt praying enough, are self-absorbed, sinful, or donʼt have a deep enough faith? Itʼs abusive. And it needs to stop. Now… Sometimes, healing happens through good doctors, counselors, practitioners, and yes, medicine. Godʼs grace can look like a sliver of light on the bathroom floor, but it can also look like a life-changing counseling session or the right combination of drugs to regulate your brain chemistry. Prayer and a deepening faith have helped many along the road to depression. But it doesnʼt always work out that way. It didnʼt for me…

Nish Weiseth, “Thoughts on depression, suicide and being a Christian,” August 12, 2014. Nish is an Evangelical Christian and author who also writes pieces for Christianity Today on her experience of being a non-Mormon (a religious minority) in Utah.


Suicide Survivors: How the Clergy Can Help or Hurt You — “I have spoken with countless suicide survivors who have been deeply hurt by comments that ministers have made… I have been to funerals for angels who died by suicide when ministers have rambled on and on about suicide being a ‘sin.’ In spite of that horrible, unforgivable ‘sin,’ they said there may still be ‘hope’ that the person who died may actually go to Heaven. Many churches in the past would not even perform a funeral for someone who died by suicide because the ‘sin’ of suicide was so grievous and unforgivable… The ‘suicide is a sin’ mentality is still extant for many.”


Suicide in Jewish Tradition

Was typically frowned upon EXCEPT for cases in which suicide was undertaken for RELIGIOUS REASONS including mass suicide, which was regarded with veneration. This veneration is understood in the context of the doctrine of Kiddush ha-shem, i.e., ‘sanctification of the divine name’ which stated that suicide could be acceptable or even glorifying to God if one thereby avoided becoming a vehicle for desecration of His name in instances of rape, slavery or forced religious conversion to a non-Jewish religion. The best known example of this is Massada but mass suicides amongst persecuted Jewish communities continued to feature in Germany, France and Britain during the Middle Ages.

Suicide in Early Christian Tradition

Martyrdom was highly regarded by the early church and the boundary between it and suicide proved to be a narrow one. Tertullian addressing Christians in prison who were awaiting martyrdom, encouraged and strengthened them by citing the example of famous suicides including Lucretia, Dido and Cleopatra. Chrysostom and Ambrose both applauded Palagia, a girl of 15 who threw herself off the roof of a house rather than be captured by Roman soldiers. In Antioch, a woman called Domnina and her two daughters drowned themselves to avoid rape, an act which, as in the case of the Jews, was venerated.

Jerome also approved of suicide for religious reasons and did not condemn austerities which undermine the constitution and which might be regarded as slow suicide. He recounts, with the greatest admiration, the life and death of a young nun named Belsilla who imposed such penalties on herself that she died. Martyrdom eventually became so popular amongst the more fervent believers such as the Donatists that it threatened the credibility and, in places, the very existence of the church. How to respond to this fervour was a difficult task for leaders of a religion founded on Jesusʼs voluntary submission to death and whose early leaders had all been slain in the course of duty.

It was Augustine who synthesized Platonic and Jewish traditions on suicide in a way that gave greater emphasis to the former. In “The City of God” he concluded that suicide was never justified, not even in the cases mentioned above in Jewish and early Christian tradition. By the 5th century suicide was regarded by the church as sinful in all circumstances.

Suicide in the Middle Ages

Apparently suicidal depression was common in the Middle Ages because numerous guides survive that were written to instruct clergy how to go about ministering to those who were suicidal. Such guides emphasized keeping the person under close observation, keeping them busy, making them comfortable with warmth, food and music, and prescribing religious exhortation, as well as citing past success stories in which suicide was averted, and offering absolution from sins. Even in cases where the suicide was successful clergy held inquests and the records reveal that in the majority of the verdicts the suicide was attributed to a disturbance of the mind rather than the soul. As in the case of Jewish tradition this enabled the dead person to receive formal rites of burial. Throughout this period we see a dissonance between what the theologians taught concerning the horrendous nature of the sin of suicide, and what the clergy actually practiced. As for what the public believed, ‘folk’ superstitions concerning suicide proved remarkably resistant to change and persisted right up until the mid-nineteenth century, such as a belief that suicides were buried at crossroads.

Suicide From the 1600ʼs to Today

In the seventeenth century, under the influence of the new spirit of inquiry, the more educated classes began to question the prevailing view that suicide was always wrong. John Donne, who was for a while himself prone to suicidal urges, wrote a treatise called Biathanatos in which he tried to prove (rather unsuccessfully as it happens) that self murder was not a sin. Interestingly, he cites as support the contemporary practice of euthanasia in which female relatives of those who were dying and for whom nothing more could be done would assist death by removing the patientʼs pillows. Donne records that this was common practice and that it was regarded as a ‘pious act,’ reflecting the fact, again, of a wide divergence between what the church taught and what society as a whole actually practiced. The term ‘suicide’ was first coined by Walter Charlton in 1651 as a bid to rid it of the criminal and sinful associations which had previously stuck to it. Although his exercise at moral sanitization failed the term itself stuck.

Laws were introduced in the early nineteenth century to punish those who attempted suicide or who assisted others to end their lives. Just as in the ancient world the upper classes (particularly those of a more artistic bent) were spared the indignity of imprisonment and for a while suicide even came to enjoy a bit of a vogue amongst the romantics. The lower classes, however, could expect a sentence of 10 days with compulsory counseling from a clergyman. Subsequently even stiffer sentences were imposed and between 1944 and 1955 13% of the 40,000 who attempted suicide were prosecuted; 308 of these were sent to jail and even in 1955 a man received a two year jail sentence, although this was subsequently reduced to a month.

Suicide only ceased to be an indictable offence in 196l and continues to be an offence for those who aid or abet, counsel or procure the suicide of another (Suicide Act 1961). The ostensible aims of such sentences were to discourage suicide as a phenomenon, although it is hard to be sure that some of the wish to punish wasnʼt due to misplaced anger towards those who were regarded as a social nuisance, a spirit which lives on in many medical wards and admissions units.

The nineteenth century was a time in which men started to collect data and to apply scientific method to the social evils of the day. Professor Olive Anderson has written extensively about suicide at this time. Her researches indicate that, despite the prohibitions, suicide rates in the UK started to climb, especially among men, from the mid-1800s onwards. Although the sociologist Emile Durkheim blamed the ‘anomie’ of modern industrial society, the process of industrialization cannot be entirely held to blame since suicide rates were highest in the old county towns. At this time suicide continued to be associated in the public eye with sin but the finding that it also showed a strong association with alcohol abuse, poor physical health and poverty sensitized the public towards a more sympathetic and understanding attitude, itself assisted by the rise of the popular novel in which the suicides of the wronged, abandoned and destitute often featured.

However, poverty was also popularly identified in many a Victorian mind as the just deserts of a life given over to sin; considerable debate thus took place over which of the poor should be seen as ‘deserving’ and which were beyond help. Under these combined influences those who saw themselves as having a responsibility to promote public order developed a variety of social and philanthropic programs to combat suicide.

Suicide is less common during wartime and times of national crisis. Conversely, suicide rates increase after a celebrity takes their life or a suicide is displayed on television.

Churches would do well to become aware of the problem of depression and its treatment since Christians are by no means immune from depression or suicidal thinking. (In fact, despair even to the point of suicidal thoughts, was something experienced by a number of figures in the Bible who are presented in a favorable light from Paul to Job, David, Jeremiah and Elijah.)

Christians would also do well to become more concerned about social justice and more vocal in their opposition to the real social evils of society. Alcoholism, marital breakdown and unemployment are far more serious issues than, say, the New Age movement or whether women should be ordained.

However, the question remains ‘Are there ever circumstances which render it legitimate to end oneʼs own life?’ The ancient Jews and early Christians clearly thought so. Nowadays we face new dilemmas concerning medicineʼs increasing ability to sustain and prolong life beyond that determined by natural processes.

Much of the above is from Russell Blackerʼs article, Suicide Down the Ages - A Judeo-Christian Perspective, on the website of The Christian Medical Fellowship (CMF).


On suicide. “Rationally Speaking” is a well known blog and podcast by an atheist philosopher. See here, here, here, for discussion of suicide, i.e. what empirical inquiry tells us about suicides (who commits them, how, what are the best strategies for prevention) and how philosophers view suicide.


What does a nihilistʼs nihilist think of suicide? Forget Camus for a sec and read these quotations from E. M. Cioran:

When people come to me saying they want to kill themselves, I tell them, “Whatʼs your rush? You can kill yourself any time you like. So calm down. Suicide is a positive act.” And they do calm down.

We dread the future only when we are not sure we can kill ourselves when we want to.

Why donʼt I kill myself? If I knew exactly what keeps me from doing so, I should have no more questions to ask myself since I should have answered them all.

Only optimists commit suicide, optimists who no longer succeed at being optimists. The others, having no reason to live, why would they have any to die?

It is not worth the bother of killing yourself, since you always kill yourself too late.

The obsession with suicide is characteristic of the man who can neither live nor die, and whose attention never swerves from this double impossibility.

If death is as horrible as is claimed, how is it that after the passage of a certain period of time we consider happy any being, friend or enemy, who has ceased to live?

In a world without melancholy, nightingales would start burping.

What would be left of our tragedies if an insect were to present us theirs?

Life inspires more dread than death—it is life which is the great unknown. (Or as Bertrand Russell put it, “We all have a tendency to think that the world must conform to our prejudices. The opposite view involves some effort of thought, and most people would die sooner than think— in fact they do so.”)


The Lighter Side of Suicide?

Suicide is manʼs way of telling God, ‘You canʼt fire me - I quit.’—Bill Maher

Potential suicides should keep in mind that itʼs a decision they have to live with for the rest of their lives.—paraphrase of something Paul Tillich wrote

I am constantly torn between killing myself and killing everyone around me.—David Levithan

The thought of suicide is a great consolation: by means of it one gets through many a dark night.—Friedrich Nietzsche

There comes a time when you look into the mirror and you realize that what you see is all that you will ever be. And then you accept it. Or you kill yourself. Or you stop looking in mirrors.—Tennessee Williams

The only difference between a suicide and a martyrdom really is the amount of press coverage.—Chuck Palahniuk

I went to the worst of bars hoping to get killed but all I could do was to get drunk again.—Charles Bukowski

If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide.—Mahatma Gandhi

Once I tried to kill myself with a bungee cord. I kept almost dying.—Steven Wright

Thereʼs no reason to live, but thereʼs no reason to die, either… Life is not worth the bother of leaving it.—Jacques Rigaut

The New York Daily News suggested that my biggest war crime was not killing myself like a gentleman. Presumably Hitler was a gentleman.—Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night


If the pain was constant and unbearable, or I was struggling for every breath and unable to sleep, I might consider suicide. I donʼt think Iʼve ever been the suicidal type because I have lots of addictive interests including making music. If the question is metaphysical, then I would add that metaphysics is sometimes full of bullsh*t. The thought of everything eventually perishing can create angst but not necessarily suicidal thoughts.

Cecil Wyche [agnostic, non-Christian, though interested in religious philosophy]


Devout Mormon Threatened to Harm Himself Unless His Brothers Stopped Cursing, Leaps to Death Rather than Endure Listening to Any More Profanity—(KSL News) Police now say an argument caused a 21-year-old man to jump from a moving truck. “Tyler Poulson was riding with his brothers last night when he became offended by one of them using profanity. Poulson, who recently returned from an LDS mission, threatened to get out of the truck if he continued. One of the men, not thinking he would, told Poulson to do so. Police said the car was going about 35 miles an hour when Poulson opened the door and jumped. He was pronounced dead on scene.” Posted Nov 12th, 2005